S2. Ep9 - Why Everyone's Moving to Claude (And How to Do It)
1.5 million people have switched from OpenAI to Anthropic, and Claude saw an 11% increase in users after the Super Bowl. So this week, Katie and I put together a complete, no-fluff guide for anyone thinking about making the move from ChatGPT to Claude.
We walk through the entire process step by step, from exporting your ChatGPT data and importing it into Claude, to converting your custom GPTs into Claude Skills (which are actually better, and we explain why). We cover Cowork, Projects, plugins, MCP servers, and the key differences you'll notice once you switch, including the fact that Claude won't just agree with everything you say.
We also share some interesting benchmark data that shows just how far ahead Claude is when it comes to reasoning, and we give an update on Project Clyde, our AGI agent team builder that goes live today.
Oh, and it's our one year podcast anniversary! 51 episodes in. Thank you for listening.
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Katie (00:26)
Hello, welcome back to another episode. Hi, hello, I'm Katie. And as always, I have Noel here with me. How you doing today, Noel?
Noel (00:35)
Yeah, doing great. And we've done a year of the podcast! Yeah, this is episode 51. Time flies.
Katie (00:39)
Wow. I can't believe it's been a year already. I feel like we should say a massive thank you to anyone who has listened to our podcast. If this is your first time listening, thank you. If you're a long-term listener or if you dip in and out and pick episodes that you think are going to interest you, again, thank you so much. We really, really appreciate it. Noel is always obsessively checking the podcast stats.
Noel (01:24)
Someone has to.
Katie (01:25)
So also massive thank you from him as well.
Noel (01:30)
Yes, thank you. Definitely. Who knew it would be so popular?
Katie (01:32)
Yeah, we appreciate you so much. Okay, to be honest, when we first started this podcast, we didn't really have any expectations for it, did we? You just really wanted to do a podcast and I kind of just said, well, I'll do it with you.
Noel (01:41)
Yeah, it was kind of like, prepare yourself that you might not get many people listening to it. I've never done a podcast before. But yeah, it was an interesting time. And then once you start looking, you realise just how many start and fail really quickly.
Katie (02:02)
Yeah, apparently the average podcast has less than 22 episodes. So if you get to 22 episodes plus, then you're doing better than most podcasts. So well done us.
Noel (02:24)
Yeah, I mean, we had to get that far because we had Martin on that week from Make.com. I think he got us over the edge for that.
Katie (02:36)
Martin from Make.com, come on down Martin. Definitely that was a good episode.
Okay, so let's have an update, Noel, on Clyde. So last week you told everyone that you were building this AGI called Clyde. Do you want to give people a brief recap and also an update, just in case anyone didn't listen to last week's episode?
Noel (02:56)
Yeah. So everyone, well, most people have heard of OpenClaw and how it needs access to your entire life in order to operate and can do all kinds of things you don't want it to do. So I decided to build Clyde and that's a lot safer. It's a lot more contained and it's there to help you build an agent team. So Clyde is the top level agent. And as you start talking to him and asking him to do certain things, he will say, well, let's get another team member in that will do your content strategy, or we need a developer for this. So we're going to hire a front end developer to do this task.
And over time it learns and updates all of the system prompts and skills that these agents have access to, including its own skills. So as you go further on with it, it should learn a lot more and become far more useful. That was my main aim.
The big update this week is I gave Clyde access to the website, the Project Clyde app website. And he went off and created me a whole content management system so you can go off and create blog content and even create a dashboard. So I could also be part of it as well. I could be part of the review process and say, well, actually, no, I don't like that. I can jump in and change things and it can then go off and publish and things like that.
And then today they've also gone through, the team that Clyde created have gone through and done all the updates ready for tomorrow, which is when Clyde goes live. So we'll be able to download it and have a go with it from today actually. It'll be today as you listen to it. So yeah, Thursday the 5th of March.
Katie (05:03)
Okay, so we'll put all of these details below as well as your Substack where you're doing a development diary as well, aren't you?
Noel (05:12)
Yes, I am, yeah.
Katie (05:13)
We'll put all the links below where you can read up on that if you so wish and follow along.
Noel (05:20)
Yeah, look forward to it.
Katie (05:23)
So this week's episode, we are talking about ChatGPT. In the sense that it seems that the whole world is now migrating to Claude.
Noel (05:37)
Yeah, I've seen a lot more movement. I think there's been movement for quite some time, but I think 2026 has seen a lot, hasn't it, so far.
Katie (05:47)
Yeah, I've seen all sorts of things where people are helping people move across, from masterclasses to paid classes to freebies. And we kind of wanted to come on and say, actually, starting a new software, yes, it's a bit annoying because obviously you've had all these conversations with ChatGPT for however long and you think, I don't want to lose all of that information. Or is there a learning curve with Claude? So we just thought we would go through step by step. If you are one of those people who want to move from ChatGPT over to Claude, we're going to give you a step by step guide, how to do it, free of charge, no fluff. This is exactly what you're going to need to know.
Noel (06:55)
Yep. Nice and easy, hopefully.
Katie (06:56)
Okay, where are we starting, Noel?
Noel (07:02)
I guess the first bit to start off with would be how to get all of your data from ChatGPT. And yeah, we've both done that recently, haven't we? It's nice and clear within your account settings. There's a really nice clear button just to go off and download all of your data that they hold. I don't think you get absolutely everything, but you get enough to keep you going.
Katie (07:32)
Yeah.
Noel (07:36)
So once you've got that data, it's really straightforward to get it onto Claude. Claude have been very clever with this. If you create an account and then go into your settings, I think it's under capabilities, and there's a button there that says help with moving your data from any other AI into Claude. All you've got to do is click that button, upload the file you got from ChatGPT. Done. That was as easy as it gets. I thought that was clever of Claude. You can get it from any AI into us. That's smart. So migrating, although I see it as a headache and maybe a bit worrying for some people, the process itself is actually really quite straightforward for getting your chat history.
Katie (08:10)
That is really clever. I didn't even bring over my chat history when I moved from ChatGPT to Claude.
Noel (08:38)
Neither did I. I think for me I kind of got to a point where I wasn't actually using it for anything useful.
Katie (08:40)
Yeah, I mean it was getting to the point where I wasn't getting the answers I wanted, so actually I didn't really want to bring that over with me.
Noel (09:00)
Yeah, that makes sense.
Katie (09:04)
There was nothing that I thought I can't replicate with the right prompt. So I was just like, it's all good.
Noel (09:14)
Yeah, it's really straightforward to set up.
Katie (09:19)
So also, people might think, well, I have a lot of custom GPTs. So what would be the equivalent in Claude? Can you explain? Because there's an equivalent. It's called obviously something different because it's not GPT, it's Claude. So do you want to explain a bit about that, Noel, and how you can create the equivalent?
Noel (09:24)
Yeah. So if you've created your own GPTs, you'll have access to all of the instructions within ChatGPT. What I would say is you would copy and paste all of those instructions and then head over to Claude and ask it to create a skill. The skill is basically a custom GPT in that sense. So you would say, look, these are the instructions, create me a skill that will go off and do this for me. And Claude comes with a skill creation skill, which is a bit of a tongue twister. So it knows how to create them properly. It will go off and do it and then add it into your account.
If it doesn't add it into your account, because sometimes I find it does and doesn't, you can download it and then upload it manually within the capability settings if needs be. But these days they seem to have fixed that. So if it knows it's created a skill, it would say add to your account. You just click a button. It's done.
But the real big thing about skills and how it's better than custom GPTs is, with a custom GPT you would open it up and you would talk to just those instructions. It's kind of difficult to then go off and have a broader conversation or maybe use two GPTs at the same time. It doesn't really work like that. You talk to one at a time.
Whereas with Claude skills, you could be chatting with one that's creating a blog post and it creates it using that skill. And then you go, right, now I need to create the LinkedIn post to go with it. So then it would go, fine, okay, I'll use the LinkedIn post skill that we've got access to. And then it goes off and uses that. And you could be chatting to it for two hours and then use a third skill that's completely unrelated.
Most of the time it does recognise when it should be using them. It would automatically look at the skills. And you kind of see it in this train of thought and then it goes, oh, I'll use that one. And brings that into your workflow. You get a better experience, I find, using skills.
Katie (12:20)
Yeah. Okay. So what other differences are there then with Claude versus ChatGPT?
Noel (12:32)
So I think probably the biggest difference is that Claude doesn't do images. It is all about the text, which is good because that's what most people need. A lot of people are either creating written content or they're researching things. It's all text. So yeah, that's probably a big difference. What I would recommend is just to get a free Gemini account and then use NanoBanana for free because their images are way better, aren't they?
Katie (13:04)
Yeah, I was just about to say I would use NanoBanana.
Noel (13:12)
100%. Yeah, ChatGPT is trying to do too much because it's not just images, it's also videos as well. Claude won't be able to do that, but again you just use Veo 3 from Gemini. There's loads and loads of alternatives out there, not just Sora. So they're kind of the big changes. I mean, there's a lot of similarities when it comes to things like coding. ChatGPT has Codex, Claude has Claude Code, and they're kind of all linked in together within the chat interface.
Katie (13:54)
Do you want to explain a bit more then about what Claude Cowork can do and a little bit about how you set it up?
Noel (14:03)
Yeah, so with Claude Cowork, you need to download the desktop app. And right now, I think it's only available on Mac and you need the Apple Silicon chips. So it doesn't work on an old Mac with an Intel chip. But I know they're working on things like getting it ready for Windows and all that sort of stuff. So that is coming soon, if not already.
But yeah, basically, you download it, sign into your account and you'll get access to Cowork straight away. And Cowork is incredibly powerful. It has access to all kinds of different things. So you could say, look, I'm going to give you access to this specific folder which has whatever documents within it. And then you can work through with Claude Cowork for it to break down complicated tasks into little subsection tasks. And basically it just goes through it all step by step. It can use your browser and all your files on your computer that you give access to, of course. So yeah, it's a really awesome tool to use, just to help you automate a bit more in your daily workflow. That's something ChatGPT doesn't have. They don't have that part of it. I'm surprised they don't actually.
Cowork is really awesome. I've been using it a lot recently.
Katie (15:33)
What sort of things have you been using it for?
Noel (15:36)
So I started using it for the podcast stuff that we produce every week. I can just say, watch this folder, wait for the transcript and then I can set Claude Cowork off to use the skills that I've already created to create all of the different things that we need every single week for the podcast. That only takes probably about 10 minutes to do all of that. But that's the agent doing the work. For me, it's about 30 seconds. It's just like, it's there, do what you did last week. And it's like, yeah, sure. And off it goes.
Katie (16:08)
What else do you use it for?
Noel (16:21)
I do use it sometimes for browsing things on the internet. I can let it go off and do research and find things using the browser plugin on Chrome. That's really good, especially in my electrical line of work. Some things are just really difficult to find. So you just set it off and it goes, okay, I'll go and try and find that for you. And then it comes back with the answer. It saves me a lot of time.
Katie (16:52)
Anything else people need to know before they move over from ChatGPT to Claude?
Noel (17:03)
I guess one of the big things is that there are also plugins available. I know they've got plugins in ChatGPT to connect your Outlook accounts or Google Drive or whatever. That's all there in Claude as well. So if you are using that in ChatGPT, those are also available within Claude. And if you download Claude locally with the desktop app, you can also connect all your own custom MCP servers, which then connects into Make.com. I saw Make did a post the other day showing how you could connect Claude into your Make account. So all of that is still available. You're not going to lose those capabilities.
Katie (17:54)
What about Claude Projects?
Noel (17:58)
Yes, I forgot about those. You can still do projects.
Katie (18:01)
Yeah, don't worry, one of us came to work today.
Noel (18:06)
Yeah, because both platforms do have projects which are great. I do use them a lot actually. I just forgot about it. You kind of get into a routine, don't you?
Katie (18:14)
You kind of just sometimes get so used to it, don't you? You forget actually the features because you're just using them without even thinking. Sometimes you're just on autopilot.
Noel (18:29)
Yeah, exactly. But I use projects a lot for big stuff. When I was building Clyde, I had a project set up in there so I could have multiple conversations about different parts of the system and then have all of that linked together in that project. So that was incredibly helpful. I know ChatGPT also does that as well. But if you want to move from one to the other, you can still do that. And that's really awesome.
Katie (19:02)
So is there anything else that people need to know about what happens after you switch from ChatGPT to Claude?
Noel (19:12)
It should be a seamless switch when it comes to connecting everything, uploading your data. I think what you'll probably find is the outputs that you used to get in ChatGPT that you were used to are completely different. And I'm not going to say in a bad way. I would say you're probably going to get less of a yes man and happy to please agent responses. I think that can probably shock some people and they'd be a bit like, oh, this AI is telling me this is a bad idea. I'm not used to this!
Katie (19:50)
I'm not used to this!
Noel (19:41)
Yeah, they can be very honest. I mean, you can obviously prompt Claude to do that as well. I do have a skill set up that's almost like a business board member. So when that skill gets activated, it really hammers home the risks and things about what I want to do. Which is amazing because they're valid, but it's good to have that back and forth. It's a good learning curve as well.
But yeah, responses are huge. They're totally different. The language is also different. But I just think everyone would have a better experience than what they do on ChatGPT. There's not as much arguing, is there? Let's put it that way.
Katie (20:48)
Yeah, someone said this quote. ChatGPT was built as a chatbot that got features bolted on over time. Claude was built as a workspace from the ground up.
Noel (21:00)
Yes, I would agree with that.
Katie (21:07)
Yeah, so I think it's really good that we do a recap as well. Claude Projects is like persistent context. Skills is like another team member. Cowork lets you delegate tasks and come back to it later on. And Claude Code lets you develop at a high level.
Noel (21:40)
Yes, so Clyde is 100% developed with Claude Code. That's how much trust I've put in it this last week. It's incredible.
Katie (21:45)
Yeah. Okay. And apparently 1.5 million people have switched from OpenAI to Anthropic.
Noel (22:02)
Ooh, well I'm not surprised by that. There was a big switch, wasn't there, after the Super Bowl.
Katie (22:08)
There was a switch after the Super Bowl because of those ads that we talked about, which we totally loved. The three different ads. But yes, so after the Super Bowl ads, Gemini had an increase of users of 1.4%. ChatGPT had an increase of 2.7%, but now they've lost 1.5 million users. And Claude had an increase of users of 11%.
Noel (22:41)
Wow. That's crazy, isn't it? Wow. It deserves it though. When you start using it day to day, I'm struggling to think of a work day where I haven't had Claude open or used it. I mean, it's not that I rely on it that heavily to do what I do on a daily basis, but it's just a great team member to have access to.
Because I did find a really interesting benchmark. You know how these models are all done on benchmarks, and they always show how good it is at this PhD physics problem and all this sort of stuff. But I did come across one that made me chuckle and it was the Bullshit Bench. And it kind of looks at the models from a different angle. You can ask silly questions and you'll find that most AI models just want to please the user. They just want to give you an answer, even if it's utter rubbish.
What they've done is they've created this benchmark test and tested all of the models. The top seven models within this test that take no nonsense, that see straight through it, all seven of those are Claude models. Which didn't surprise me at all. And even in the top 11, there's 10 that are Claude models. So that's really crazy how good they are at spotting those sort of things.
When you get to ChatGPT, you need to get all the way down to position 19 before a chat model from OpenAI shows up on that benchmark. There's loads of other models ahead of it. Even Claude 3.5 Haiku performs better than the best chat model from OpenAI.
Some of the questions were quite funny. Like, you're a restaurant owner and you're worried about the level of spice in the food and how that's going to impact your fire safety. And it's like, hot and heat, it kind of works that way.
Katie (25:12)
Yes, but it couldn't tell the difference.
Noel (25:15)
Yeah, and it was going on about, well, ground ginger is actually really flammable. And I was like, what are you on about? Whereas Claude just sees straight through all of that. It's like, these two things aren't related. So yeah, you definitely see that uplift.
Katie (25:30)
Yeah. We are actually doing a step-by-step guide as well for our AI Business Club members on how to actually migrate from OpenAI to Claude. So if you are in our membership, the AI Business Club, if you go to Skool, it will be uploaded really soon for you guys.
If you're not part of our membership AI Business Club and you want to come and join us, we'll leave the link below. We would love to have you be part of it. But thank you so very much for listening to this week's podcast episode. A bit of a special one because it's been a whole year since we started. So thank you again for listening and we'll catch you for another episode very soon.
